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Why Anthropic's Founders Left OpenAI

Katy & TheoEpisode 3 of The AI Race6 min

Two customer lists at OpenAI. One Dario Amodei was shown, one he found later. Five years on, he's steering a two trillion dollar IPO.

Transcript

Katy

Twenty twenty, inside OpenAI. The GPT-three beta is running, and Dario Amodei, the vice president of research, asks Sam Altman a simple question. Who is actually using this thing? Altman gives him a list.

Theo

And I'm guessing the list is wrong.

Katy

The list is short. Amodei says he found a second one later. Longer. And he began to suspect that what he'd been shown had been... filtered.

Theo

That feels like a small thing to quit a company over.

Katy

Trust is made of small things. December twenty-ninth, twenty twenty. Amodei walks out of OpenAI after nearly five years. Co-builder of GPT-two and GPT-three. And he does not walk out alone.

Theo

How many went with him?

Katy

Six colleagues immediately, including his sister Daniela. Eventually around a dozen ex-OpenAI researchers founded Anthropic in twenty twenty-one. People have argued ever since about what they were running from. Start with the version you've probably heard.

Theo

The Microsoft money. The billion dollar deal. The safety people got squeamish about the cash.

Katy

Dario says no. Flatly. He's said there's a lot of misinformation out there, and quote, people say we left because we didn't like the deal with Microsoft. False. He'd been directly involved in commercialising GPT-three. He was not anti-business.

Theo

So the founding myth is just... wrong?

Katy

The clean version is wrong. What he describes instead is trust. His line is, it is incredibly unproductive to try and argue with someone else's vision. That's not a fight he lost. It's a fight he decided wasn't winnable from the inside.

Theo

That is a very polite way to say I'm leaving.

Katy

The less polite version turned up this year. Kevin Roose has a book out, The AGI Chronicles — the two lists story is his reporting — and it describes a power struggle before the exit. A so-called countries plan, selling advanced AI to governments. Amodei emailing senior leaders in blunt language.

Theo

Okay, but that's one book, one side. Has OpenAI answered any of it?

Katy

Not that I can point you to. So hold it the way I'm holding it. Reported, not proven. Roose's reporting, Amodei's recollection.

Theo

Fine. They leave. And now they need money.

Katy

They need a LOT of money. April twenty twenty-two, it arrives from the strangest possible place. Sam Bankman-Fried puts in roughly five hundred million dollars, leading a five hundred and eighty million dollar round. Anthropic valued at about four billion.

Theo

The safety company. Funded by FTX. That aged like milk.

Katy

Seven months later FTX collapses, because — as prosecutors established — he'd been taking customer money. So that stake becomes this strange asset sitting inside a bankruptcy. March twenty twenty-four, the estate agrees to sell most of it. Eight hundred and eighty-four million dollars.

Theo

To who?

Katy

Biggest buyer, a group aligned with Mubadala, the Abu Dhabi sovereign wealth fund. Nearly five hundred million dollars' worth. Second biggest? Jane Street. The trading firm where Bankman-Fried started his career.

Theo

It goes back to his old shop? Come on.

Katy

Plus Fidelity funds. And the Ford Foundation.

Theo

The Ford Foundation owns a piece of Claude. That's genuinely strange.

Katy

And by then Anthropic had already found the real money. Amazon committing up to four billion dollars, Google adding billions more. Amazon's own filings this year disclose roughly ninety-eight billion dollars of Anthropic convertible notes, plus about ninety-two billion in non-voting preferred stock.

Theo

Hang on. A hundred and ninety billion? On one balance sheet?

Katy

On one balance sheet. The crypto bet became the seed of one of the largest equity positions in corporate America.

Theo

So five years out from that walkout — who's winning?

Katy

February twenty twenty-six, Series G. Thirty billion raised at three hundred and eighty billion. May, Series H. Sixty-five billion at nine hundred and sixty-five billion. June first, a confidential S-one filed with the SEC. And Bloomberg, on September fifteenth, put annualized revenue at sixty-five billion dollars.

Theo

From the company whose whole pitch is that the product might be dangerous.

Katy

Which is the part that hasn't changed since twenty twenty. Reuters first reported the prospectus on Monday, September twenty-eighth. It warns the technology could pose a catastrophic or existential risk to humanity. That sentence is in the document they're selling shares with.

Theo

Buy our stock. Read our disclaimer.

Katy

And weeks before that, Amodei published an essay arguing AI companies have to pace the frontier. Slow down. Together.

Theo

Which only works if everybody actually does it.

Katy

Right. And on September twenty-fourth, Reuters reported the co-founders plan to keep voting control after listing. Same instinct as twenty twenty. Never again be outvoted on somebody else's vision.

Theo

So it all comes back to the second list. The whole company is a trust issue, incorporated.

Katy

That's it. And none of the rest is confirmed yet. The reported target is November, on the Nasdaq, up to a hundred billion raised, at around two trillion dollars. If it holds, the biggest IPO in history.

Theo

Run by the man who left because he thought the others were moving too fast.

Katy

He walked out over the pace of the race. In November, they hand him the fastest car on the track.

Sources

Katy and Theo researched this episode from these sources.

  1. Founders' Split at OpenAI and Anthropic Revealed in New Book
  2. Why Did Dario and Daniela Amodei Both Leave OpenAI?
  3. Why Anthropic Has Zero Founder Exits
  4. FTX estate selling majority stake in AI startup Anthropic for $884 million
  5. Amazon's $190B Anthropic stake has links to SBF
  6. Could FTX's Anthropic investment recoup lost billions?
  7. Anthropic's $2 Trillion IPO Is Still On. And So Is the AI Race
  8. Anthropic IPO 2026: Expected Date and Valuation
  9. Leaked Anthropic IPO Prospectus Gives Wall Street an Early Look