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The Day Spotify Fired Its Bankers

Katy & TheoEpisode 5 of Money Mysteries7 min

A pop on day one feels like a win. Jay Ritter's data says it's billions handed to someone else.

Transcript

Katy

April third, two thousand eighteen. The Spotify logo is hanging over a trading post on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange... and nobody in the building knows what the stock is worth. No offer price. No banks underwriting it. Just a number the exchange put out the night before. A hundred and thirty-two dollars.

Theo

Hang on. Where does a hundred and thirty-two come from if nobody sold anything?

Katy

It's called a reference price. Morgan Stanley came up with it, based on how Spotify shares had been changing hands privately. It is explicitly NOT an offering price. It's a... conversation starter.

Theo

A suggested retail price. For a company.

Katy

Pretty much. Orders pile in, Citadel and Morgan Stanley work the book, and the stock finally opens at a hundred sixty-five ninety. Touches a hundred sixty-nine. Slides back. Closes at a hundred forty-nine and one cent.

Theo

Up thirteen percent. That sounds... fine? Everyone goes home happy.

Katy

Hold that thought, because here's the question I want you carrying for the next ten minutes. In a normal IPO, that first-day jump is the whole celebration. The bell, the confetti, the headline. And a serious wing of finance argues the pop is the single most expensive thing that happens to a company all year.

Theo

Expensive how? The stock went UP.

Katy

The company sold at the lower number. Imagine selling your house for five hundred thousand and watching the buyer flip it that same afternoon for a million. You didn't win. You just found out what it was worth. Too late.

Theo

Okay. That reframes it.

Katy

There's a name for the gap. Money left on the table. And a finance professor in Florida, Jay Ritter, has been counting it for forty years. He and Tim Loughran found that in the eighties, the average first-day return on an American IPO was about seven percent. In the nineties it roughly doubled, to almost fifteen.

Theo

And then the dot-com thing happens.

Katy

Sixty-five percent. Average. Nineteen ninety-nine and two thousand. Around eighty-five million dollars left on the table per IPO... call it sixty-seven, sixty-eight billion in two years.

Theo

Sixty-eight BILLION? That's not a rounding error. That's a transfer.

Katy

That's the exact word the critics use. And the argument isn't that bankers are stupid. It's an agency problem. The bank's repeat customers are the big funds who get allocated the cheap shares. The company going public shows up once in its life.

Theo

So the bank's real client is the buyer. Not the seller.

Katy

Enter Bill Gurley. Venture capitalist at Benchmark, Texan, extremely online about this. He spent all of twenty-twenty running a public campaign, a presentation, a whole conference, saying the traditional IPO is broken.

Theo

Who also owns the shares being underpriced. Isn't that a little convenient?

Katy

Totally fair, and he'd admit it. But he brought receipts. He told Fortune that by mid-June of twenty-twenty, American companies had raised about six point three billion... and handed roughly four point eight billion in instant profits to favored funds. Ritter said we were on pace for the most money left on the table since two thousand.

Theo

And then December happened.

Katy

DoorDash popped eighty-six percent. Airbnb, a hundred and twelve. Gurley went on CNBC and called those jumps, quote, outlandish.

Theo

Let me play banker for a second, though. The underwriters do something real, don't they? Somebody has to find out what the price IS.

Katy

That's the strongest defense, and it isn't nothing. Book-building is price discovery. The bank goes investor to investor, builds a demand curve, places shares with people likely to hold instead of flip, stabilizes the first few days, carries the liability. And a traditional IPO raises new cash. Spotify didn't sell a single new share.

Theo

Oh. So a direct listing only works if you don't need the money.

Katy

Which kept it a rich-kid option. Slack did it, June twenty-nineteen, reference price twenty-six dollars, opened at thirty-eight fifty. Up about forty-eight percent. Coinbase, Nasdaq, April twenty-twenty-one. Reference price two fifty. Reuters reported it was indicated to open around three hundred eighty.

Theo

So the thing designed to kill the pop... popped. Harder.

Katy

Yes. Though defenders say a reference price was never a price, so there was no pop, just a bad baseline. Genuinely unresolved.

Theo

So what actually changed?

Katy

December twenty-second, twenty-twenty. The SEC approves the New York Stock Exchange rule allowing a primary direct floor listing. For the first time, a company could sell new shares, raise real money, with no firm-commitment underwriting. Nasdaq filed almost the same proposal that day.

Theo

And everybody switched.

Katy

No. Barely anyone. Gurley said on Closing Bell he couldn't imagine why any founder would go through the archaic process again... and then the pool of eligible companies turned out to be tiny. The NYSE still wants things like four hundred round-lot holders. And while the lawyers argued, the money ran somewhere else.

Theo

Let me guess. SPACs.

Katy

The blank-check boom. Which Gurley himself framed as part of the same revolt. Two experiments, one complaint.

Theo

So who won?

Katy

Nobody, cleanly. The rule exists, it's mostly unused, and the underpricing data is still sitting there. But something permanent shifted. Every board now has to look at a first-day pop and ask whose money that actually was.

Theo

And this matters to me how? I'm not taking a company public this week.

Katy

Because you're standing on the other side of it. When you buy a hot stock at the open on day one, you are buying from the people who got allocated cheap. Remember Spotify's open? A hundred sixty-five ninety. That was the high print of the day.

Theo

So the confetti isn't for me.

Katy

The bell rings for whoever already owns the shares. A pop isn't a company winning... it's a price being corrected in public, and someone else keeping the difference.

Sources

Katy and Theo researched this episode from these sources.

  1. Spotify closes up 13 percent after falling from highs on first day of trading (CNBC)
  2. Spotify's reference share price set at $132 ahead of NYSE debut (Reuters/VentureBeat)
  3. Spotify's unique listing that cut out Wall Street is not a threat to bankers just yet (CNBC)
  4. Why Has IPO Underpricing Changed Over Time? — Loughran and Ritter
  5. Equilibrium in the IPO Market — Jay Ritter
  6. Why famed VC Bill Gurley thinks IPOs are such a ripoff (Fortune)
  7. DoorDash and Airbnb pops were absurd, says Gurley (CNBC)
  8. Bill Gurley says direct listing rule change will end traditional IPOs (CNBC)
  9. Slack shares surge 48% over reference price in market debut (CNBC)
  10. Coinbase Direct Listing: What's Happening Right Now (CoinDesk)
  11. Coinbase gets reference price of $250 per share from Nasdaq (CNBC)
  12. SEC Approves NYSE Rule Change to Allow Capital Raise with Direct Listings (Winston & Strawn)
  13. SEC Approves NYSE Proposal for Primary Direct Listings (Again) — Wilson Sonsini
  14. Going Public (with Bill Gurley) — UT Austin McCombs podcast