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How China Tried to Spy on Nvidia's CEO

Katy & TheoEpisode 17 of The AI Race7 min

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US intelligence says a Megaspeed executive close to Jensen Huang was a Chinese asset. Nvidia denies it.

Transcript

Katy

You know how in the art world, the forger is never the one who sells the painting? There's always a respectable middleman with good dinner-party manners. Hold that thought, because today's story runs on exactly that.

Theo

Okay, I'm listening, but where are we?

Katy

Chips. This morning, Thursday the twenty-ninth of October, the New York Times reported that US intelligence agencies concluded a woman with a close business relationship to Nvidia's CEO Jensen Huang was acting as a Chinese intelligence asset.

Theo

Close how? Because that word is doing a lot of work.

Katy

Deliberately, I think. The Verge pointed out this morning that the reporting is actually sparse on exactly how close. What we have is that she's an executive at a Singapore data center company called Megaspeed, and she's been photographed with him at trade show parties, dinners and events in Taiwan.

Theo

And the name?

Katy

Alice Huang, also known as Huang Le. Chinese citizen, no relation to Jensen Huang. And here's the part that made Washington sit up: Trump was briefed on this roughly a year ago, and according to the Times, he chose not to act.

Theo

A year? Why would you sit on that?

Katy

The reporting says he was wary of disrupting Nvidia's chip sales and of straining the trade relationship with Beijing. Those sales are propping up a lot of the stock market right now.

Theo

So the spy story was weighed against the share price and the share price won.

Katy

That's how the Times frames it, via people briefed on classified intelligence who spoke anonymously. Nobody's on the record.

Theo

Alright, back up. Who is Alice Huang? Because I've never heard of her and apparently neither had anyone.

Katy

Almost nobody had. The Telegraph says she had a low profile before taking the top role at Megaspeed. Reportedly she'd worked for a Chinese state media company and a Shanghai-based investment firm.

Theo

Chinese state media. That's... not nothing.

Katy

No, but it's also not proof of anything on its own. Lots of people pass through state media in China. What's stranger is the company. Megaspeed was incorporated in Singapore back in twenty fifteen under a completely different name: Seven Road International. It was spun off from a Chinese gaming business.

Theo

A gaming company becomes an AI data center company. That's a swerve.

Katy

It renamed itself Megaspeed in March twenty twenty-three, which is exactly when Huang Le came on board as managing director. And then the ownership gets passed around. First to a company called Huang Le Limited, then in November to a newly incorporated firm called Swiftdata.

Theo

Wait, she resigned as a director?

Katy

By the tenth of November twenty twenty-three, yes, per Singapore corporate records reported by the Business Times. Her name comes off the paperwork, but she's still the face in the photographs.

Theo

That's the forger thing you opened with. The name on the document and the person in the room are different people.

Katy

And then this little unknown company commits to buying two billion dollars of Nvidia AI technology.

Theo

Two billion? From a firm whose revenue estimates were all over the place?

Katy

Some listings put it somewhere between one and ten million dollars as of September twenty twenty-five. That gap is what got Washington's attention.

Theo

So how did anyone actually catch this? Satellite? Informant?

Katy

Cardboard boxes. Commerce Department officials visited Megaspeed's data center in Malaysia and found the Nvidia hardware still sitting in its packaging, uninstalled.

Theo

That's it? Nobody unpacked the servers?

Katy

If you're genuinely renting out compute, that gear is racked and humming within weeks. Boxes mean it either just landed or it's staged to leave. Megaspeed was accused last year of helping smuggle two billion dollars of Nvidia chips.

Theo

Accused by whom, though? I want to be careful here.

Katy

Fair. The Commerce investigation was first reported by the Times back on the ninth of October twenty twenty-five. Singapore police separately confirmed they were investigating the company for suspected breaches of local law. And around that time, Megaspeed essentially went dark. Reporters calling the company got a dead ring tone.

Theo

Okay. And what does Nvidia say to all this? Because they can't love today.

Katy

They pushed back hard. Their spokesperson said Jensen's interactions with Ms Huang are not unusual or unexpected, that meetings with customers are part of a CEO's job, and that he talks with thousands of customer executives every year.

Theo

Which is true and also exactly what you'd say either way.

Katy

They went further. They said regional cloud customers get ordinary business information, not trade secrets, and zero information relevant to national security. And on the smuggling: quote, the diversion allegations against this regional cloud were thoroughly investigated and debunked last year.

Theo

Debunked. That's a strong word from a company that isn't the investigator.

Katy

They also implied the government never briefed them, saying they're confident that if the US government believed someone was a threat to American industry, it would let them know. And China's embassy in Washington called the whole thing groundless smears and slanders.

Theo

What about Jensen Huang himself? Was he in on anything?

Katy

Nothing in the reporting suggests that. Officials told the Times they don't believe he knew. And he's apparently never received a defensive briefing, the standard warning you'd give an American who's been targeted.

Theo

They never warned him? For a year?

Katy

The speculation in the reporting is that warning him might tip her off, because the surveillance is still running.

Theo

So she may still be operating right now.

Katy

As far as anyone's said publicly, yes. And the timing matters, because this lands weeks before Trump's planned trip to China, where chip exports are expected to be on the agenda.

Theo

So what do we actually watch for?

Katy

Whether the White House says anything, whether Singapore's investigation produces charges, and what Nvidia's export picture looks like after that trip. The company already wrote off about four and a half billion dollars in China-tuned chips last year.

Theo

Honestly, the thing I can't shake is the boxes.

Katy

Same. If you want the other half of this, look at the Singapore fraud case, three men charged over servers that went to Malaysia. That's the plumbing underneath all of it.

Theo

Right. I'll go read that tonight and sleep badly.

Sources

Katy and Theo researched this episode from these sources.

  1. US investigated Chinese spy plot aimed at Nvidia CEO | TechCrunch
  2. Nvidia CEO reportedly targeted by Chinese spy | Nvidia | The Guardian
  3. A Mystery C.E.O. and Billions in Sales: Is China Buying Banned Nvidia Chips? - The New York Times
  4. Nvidia responds to accusations that Jensen Huang was Chinese target
  5. Jensen Huang and the AI spies. | The Verge
  6. Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang Targeted in China Spy Plot, NYT Reports | World News - The Indian Express
  7. Pictured: Nvidia boss ‘targeted by Chinese spy’
  8. Sources say Alice Huang was Chinese asset tied to Jensen Huang
  9. Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang may have been the target of a spy plot through 'Chinese intelligence asset,' report claims — exec from firm under investigation for smuggling banned AI chips to China accused of being a spy, was also feeding information to Beijing | Tom's Hardware
  10. Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang seen as target of China spy plot; Trump briefed but took no action: Report - The Economic Times
  11. Trump Was Briefed That Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang Was Close To Suspected Chinese Spy
  12. Megaspeed, Singapore firm at centre of US Nvidia chip probe, goes dark - The Business Times