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Why Stock Prices Move: Supply and Demand

Katy & TheoEpisode 1 of How Markets Work7 min

How Markets WorkEpisode 17 min · Katy & Theo
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Nobody sets a stock's price. So who decides it changes a dollar in half a second?

Transcript

Katy

Pull up any stock right now and stare at the price. Blink. It's different. Nobody announced that. No committee voted.

Theo

So who actually changed it? There's got to be someone typing a new number somewhere.

Katy

There isn't. The price is just the last thing two people agreed on. That's it. And by the time you've read it, someone else has agreed on something else.

Theo

Okay, but that feels too loose. A whole company's value is... whatever the last two people said?

Katy

The last two WILLING people, yes. So let's build it from the bottom. Start with what's actually sitting in the market waiting for you. Picture a ladder of orders. People who want to buy a share post the price they'd pay. People who want to sell post the price they'd take. That's the order book.

Theo

And the buyers always want to pay less than the sellers want, obviously.

Katy

Always. So there's a gap in the middle. Best buy price, say ninety-nine ninety-eight. Best sell price, a hundred dollars. That gap is the bid-ask spread.

Theo

So what's the price of the stock then? It's two numbers.

Katy

Right, and that's the thing people get wrong. There's no single price sitting there. There's a price to buy right now, and a lower price to sell right now, and nothing in between until someone trades.

Theo

Huh. So the spread is basically what it costs me to be impatient.

Katy

That's exactly what it is. The cost of immediacy. If you're willing to wait and post your own price, you don't pay it. If you want it done this second, you cross the gap.

Theo

Fine. But that still doesn't move the price. Me buying one share at a hundred doesn't change anything.

Katy

It doesn't. But now make the order bigger. Say there are two hundred shares offered at a hundred dollars, and then the next sellers up the ladder want a hundred and five, then a hundred and ten.

Theo

And if I want a thousand shares...

Katy

You eat the two hundred at a hundred, then you climb. You pay more for every chunk. That's called walking the book, and your average price is worse than the number you saw on screen.

Theo

So the act of buying is what pushed it up. I moved the price by wanting it.

Katy

You did. That's market impact, and it's the real reason big funds break orders into pieces. Although that has its own problem.

Theo

Which is what, people notice?

Katy

People notice. A stream of buying is a signal. Others jump on the trend, and the price runs away from you before you've finished. Selling works the same in reverse.

Theo

Okay, so who's standing there taking the other side of all this? Someone has to be selling me those shares at eight in the morning.

Katy

Market makers. Their whole job is to always be quoting both sides. They'll buy from you at ninety-nine ninety-eight and sell to you at a hundred, and keep the two cents.

Theo

Two cents. That's... a terrible business?

Katy

Thousands of times a day it isn't. But they're carrying real risk. The NYSE's own paper on market making walks through it. Say they buy two hundred shares off you at a hundred dollars, and then the price drops.

Theo

Then they're holding something that's worth less than they paid.

Katy

And they have to decide. Hold it and hope it reverses, or sell to the best buyer out there and lock in a loss. The spread is the compensation for sitting in that seat.

Theo

So when things get scary, I'm guessing they just... quote wider.

Katy

They do. The spread widens, and that's the market getting more expensive to trade exactly when you most want out.

Theo

Which explains a crash better than I expected, actually.

Katy

Now put news into it. A drug company gets approval. Everyone's estimate of what the shares are worth jumps at once.

Theo

But nothing physical happened to the company in that second. No pills got sold.

Katy

Nothing. What changed is expectations. Buyers rip through the sell orders sitting on the ladder, and the market makers pull their old quotes and repost higher, because quoting yesterday's price into today's news is how you get run over.

Theo

So it's not that billions moved. It's that the number everyone's using got rewritten.

Katy

And that's price discovery. Thousands of people with different information, different time horizons, arguing through their orders, and the price is the running score.

Theo

Does it ever get it right?

Katy

Roughly. The honest version is prices are wrong constantly, just not predictably wrong in a direction you can trade on. And macro news does real work. A Federal Reserve paper found macro surprises explain about a third of quarterly swings in the S and P five hundred.

Theo

Only a third. So two thirds is... everything else.

Katy

Everybody's guesses, needs and panics. Try this. Thin little stock, best buy price ten dollars, best sell ten-fifty. You want five thousand shares, right now, at market. What happens?

Theo

I pay ten-fifty for whatever's there, then I climb the ladder for the rest. So my average is above ten-fifty. And the price on screen afterwards is higher than when I started.

Katy

And the spread?

Theo

Wider? Because I just cleared out the sellers near the top.

Katy

Wider, yes, until new orders come in to fill the gap. You've paid the spread, paid the impact, and told everyone watching that someone wants this stock.

Theo

For a small investor that's weirdly comforting. I'm too small to matter.

Katy

You are, and that's your advantage. So: the price is the last agreed trade. The spread is what impatience costs. Big orders move prices by consuming the ladder. Market makers sit in the middle and get paid for the risk. And news moves prices by moving expectations, not anything physical.

Theo

What do I actually look at tomorrow?

Katy

The spread. Big familiar company, it's a penny. Something tiny and barely traded, it's enormous. That gap tells you how many people are really there.

Theo

Right. I've definitely bought things without looking at that.

Sources

Katy and Theo researched this episode from these sources.

  1. Liquidity, Trading, and Price Determination in Equity Markets: A Finance Course Application | Springer Nature Link
  2. Market Makers in Financial Markets: Their Role, How They Function, Why They are Important, and the NYSE DMM Difference
  3. Decoding Equity Market Reactions to Macroeconomic News
  4. CHAPTER 6 MARKET EFFICIENCY – DEFINITION, TESTS AND EVIDENCE
  5. How the Stock Market Works and Its Role in the Economy
  6. A Model of Market Making and Price Impact
  7. 7 Capital Market Efficiency - Contemporary Finance [Book]
  8. Securities Trading: Principles and Procedures
  9. What actually drives a stock price up or down?