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How Palantir Was Founded After 9/11

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A PayPal fraud tool, a CIA venture fund, and the pitch that said it could have stopped 9/11.

Transcript

Katy

In two thousand three, a retired rear admiral named John Poindexter gets a phone call. It's Richard Perle, one of the architects of the Iraq War, and he wants to introduce him to two guys from Silicon Valley starting a software company.

Theo

Poindexter... that's the Iran-Contra name, right? The one who resigned under Reagan?

Katy

The same. And after nine eleven he'd gone back to the Pentagon to build a data-mining program called Total Information Awareness. A conservative columnist, William Safire, called it a super-snoop's dream.

Theo

And THAT is who the startup founders wanted a meeting with?

Katy

He was exactly who they wanted. Peter Thiel and Alex Karp were building something with the same ambition, and Poindexter was by then widely seen as the godfather of modern surveillance.

Theo

So what were they actually selling? Because every company says it can connect the dots.

Katy

The pitch was literal. Consolidate the databases, and you might have prevented nine eleven. That's what they told the CIA.

Theo

Hang on. Is that a real claim or a sales line?

Katy

Both, honestly. The underlying problem was real. After the attacks, agencies realized they'd gathered plenty of indications about al-Qaeda and bin Laden's plans. Possibly enough. But it was scattered across different agencies and different databases.

Theo

Nobody could see the whole picture.

Katy

Right. And the odd part is where the fix came from. Not a defense lab. A payments company fighting Russian fraudsters.

Theo

PayPal?

Katy

PayPal. Around two thousand, their engineers found that algorithms alone couldn't keep up with how fast criminals adapted. So they built a program that flagged suspicious transactions for humans to review. They named it Igor, after a Russian criminal who'd been taunting the fraud team.

Theo

They named the software after the guy trolling them.

Katy

Fraud losses dropped tenfold after launch. And in two thousand three, with PayPal sold, Thiel goes to Alex Karp, an old Stanford Law classmate with a doctorate in German social philosophy, and asks: why not point Igor at terrorist financing?

Theo

Why Karp? A philosophy PhD seems like a strange pick for a spy software company.

Katy

They were friends, and Karp had discovered a talent for investing in Frankfurt. Thiel's framing was that the government's response to things like airport security was becoming, his word, nightmarish. He wanted a mission company: reduce terrorism while preserving civil liberties.

Theo

That's a sentence that's going to age interestingly.

Katy

Hold that thought. Incorporation was May two thousand three. Thiel, Nathan Gettings, Joe Lonsdale, Stephen Cohen, Karp. Named after the seeing-stones in Lord of the Rings.

Theo

Of course it is.

Katy

Thiel bankrolled roughly thirty million in startup costs himself, because venture capital wanted nothing to do with it.

Theo

Why not? Post nine eleven, defense money was everywhere.

Katy

Picture the demo. Karp shows a prototype tracking two hypothetical terror suspects, their travel, their money transfers. Then the questions start. Is anyone at your company cleared for classified information?

Theo

No.

Katy

Have you ever worked with intelligence agencies? No. Senior advisers who have? No. A cleared sales force? No.

Theo

Four for four. That's not a pitch meeting, that's a hazing.

Katy

But they were intrigued enough. The group was In-Q-Tel, the venture arm set up by the CIA, and they put in an estimated two million dollars.

Theo

The CIA has a venture capital fund. That still sounds made up.

Katy

It does, and Richard Perle later told New York Magazine that angel investment may have been the agency's most inspired move. More important than the money, though, In-Q-Tel put Palantir's engineers in a room with actual intelligence analysts.

Theo

So the customer built the product with them.

Katy

For years. One trick that mattered: they tagged every single piece of data separately. First name, last name, phone number. So if one line in a file is top secret, an analyst with lower clearance can still see the rest.

Theo

Oh, that's the actual unlock. The clearance stops being a wall around the whole file.

Katy

And the first big operational contract came in two thousand six, with the Joint IED Defeat Organization, for Iraq and Afghanistan. Finding the patterns in roadside bomb attacks.

Theo

Did it work? Or is that a company claim too?

Katy

Current and former US officials told the Wall Street Journal in two thousand nine that it helped root out terrorist financing networks, revealed trends in roadside bombs, and foiled a Pakistani suicide bombing plot on Western targets.

Theo

Not everyone loved it, though, surely.

Katy

Poindexter didn't. He told New York Magazine he was impressed by the interface, but there was no back end to sort the data automatically. His words: the people using it were not happy with it at all. Much too manual.

Theo

The surveillance godfather's review is "needs more automation."

Katy

Which is the part that connects to now. The company built to stop another nine eleven is reported to run the technology behind an ICE data system drawing on dozens of databases, covering twenty million people.

Theo

Twenty million. And that's the same connect-the-dots engine?

Katy

Essentially. Four oh four Media reported it lets the agency locate people in minutes rather than hours or days. Supporters say that's the capability working as designed. Critics say a tool sold for counterterrorism is now pointed at immigration enforcement.

Theo

And "reduce terrorism while preserving civil liberties" is doing a lot of work in that sentence.

Katy

That's the argument that's still live. By the way, those SEC filings said the goal out loud: become the default operating system for data across the US government.

Theo

From four noes in a conference room to the default operating system. That's a twenty-year run.

Katy

With the founders cashing out along the way. In two thousand twenty-four, insiders sold more than four billion dollars of stock. Thiel offloaded about a third of his holding.

Theo

Huh. So what do they do with the commercial side? Because that's not the CIA anymore.

Katy

That's where we're going next.

Sources

Katy and Theo researched this episode from these sources.

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  2. How Team of Geeks Cracked Spy Trade - WSJ
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