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How an Astrologer Set Air Force One's Schedule for the Reagan White House

Katy & TheoEpisode 2 of Pop Culture Archaeology6 min

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For seven years, a San Francisco astrologer timed presidential flights and summits with Gorbachev. The story broke only because a fired chi…

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Katy

For seven years, the takeoff and landing times of Air Force One were set by an astrologer in San Francisco.

Theo

Set by a WHAT?

Katy

Her name was Joan Quigley. And it starts on March thirtieth, nineteen eighty-one. A man named John Hinckley opens fire outside a Washington hotel, and the President of the United States ends up on an operating table. In the days after, the First Lady picks up the phone.

Theo

Okay... that part I actually get. Her husband nearly died. People reach for anything.

Katy

In Nancy Reagan's own memoir, My Turn, what she told Quigley was... I'm scared every time he leaves the house. And she asked a very human question. Could you have seen it coming? Could you have stopped it?

Theo

And Quigley said yes.

Katy

Quigley said yes. Nineteen eighty-one through nineteen eighty-nine. Phone calls nearly every day. In secret.

Theo

Who even was she? Some back-room mystic with beads?

Katy

Opposite. Published author, national television, a well-known San Francisco celebrity astrologer. She and Nancy had met back in the nineteen seventies... on The Merv Griffin Show.

Theo

Of course they did. Daytime TV, the great American networking event.

Katy

And park one thing for later, because there's a line that floats all over the internet, attributed to the banker J.P. Morgan. Millionaires don't use astrology... billionaires do. We're coming back to whether he ever said it.

Theo

Noted. But what was she actually deciding? Wardrobe? Dinner guests?

Katy

The Hoover Institution has now fully cataloged her papers. Her notes. Her charts. What she was timing includes the departures and landings of Air Force One. The right days for debates. Favorable times for summit meetings with Mikhail Gorbachev.

Theo

Gorbachev. As in nuclear arms talks. The actual Cold War.

Katy

As Hoover puts it, a presidential couple famous for courting the religious right was relying on the occult for hugely consequential decisions that touched national security.

Theo

So did Reagan believe it? Or was he just letting his terrified wife have her comfort?

Katy

Genuinely contested. Honest people disagree. What we have is Quigley's version, and in her memoir she claimed her advice had, quote, absolute control over the President's movements.

Theo

Which is only the most flattering sentence an astrologer could possibly write about herself.

Katy

She is not a neutral witness, no. But remember, she only wrote that book after the secret blew up. And the man who blew it up was an insider with a grudge.

Theo

Go on.

Katy

Nineteen eighty-eight. Donald Regan, the White House chief of staff, has just been pushed out. So he writes a book. And in it he mentions, almost in passing, that scheduling at the highest level of the American government was being run past an astrologer in San Francisco.

Theo

And the press detonates.

Katy

Detonates. And it doesn't stop until Quigley's name is out in the open. Her own memoir lands in nineteen ninety, with a title that was basically the joke the staff had been making for years. What Does Joan Say?

Theo

Because that's how aides had to phrase it. Not, can the President fly Tuesday. But... what does Joan say.

Katy

What does Joan say. She died in two thousand fourteen, at eighty-seven, still insisting astrology was a real and useful science.

Theo

Alright, money question. What does that service cost? Everyone assumes billionaires have a guy.

Katy

Here I have to be straight with you. The eye-watering fees you see passed around for celebrity and executive astrologers? I couldn't verify a single one to a source I'd trust on air. So I'm not quoting you a price.

Theo

Refreshing. Most people would say a thousand dollars an hour and keep walking.

Katy

Same with the J.P. Morgan line. Millionaires don't use astrology, billionaires do. It's everywhere. Quote sites, finance accounts, astrologers' own bios. What I could not find is any reliable record of Morgan saying it.

Theo

So the most quoted sentence about rich people and astrology might just be... invented.

Katy

It might be. And look at what it's doing. It flatters the astrologer AND the client. It says this isn't superstition, it's an edge. The kind only people at the very top can afford.

Theo

Which is the real product. Not the stars. The feeling that you know something nobody else does.

Katy

That's the whole engine. Power doesn't remove uncertainty, it concentrates it. The more you control, the more unbearable the things you can't control become. A bullet outside a hotel. A market. A summit. And someone will always sell you a calendar that makes tomorrow feel scheduled.

Theo

So the horoscope app on my phone and Air Force One's takeoff time are the same impulse.

Katy

Exactly the same impulse. One of them just had Gorbachev on the seating chart.

Theo

Mine tells me Mercury's in retrograde, so my email came out rude.

Katy

The Reagans got mocked for this for decades. But strip away the charts and the headlines, and what's left is a frightened woman asking whether tomorrow is safe... and paying someone to say yes.

Sources

Katy and Theo researched this episode from these sources.

  1. Joan Quigley — Wikipedia
  2. Joan Quigley, astrologer to the Reagan White House, dies at 87 — The Washington Post
  3. Hoover Makes Available the Newly Processed Papers of Nancy Reagan's White House Astrologer — Hoover Institution
  4. Quigley, Joan (1927–) — Encyclopedia.com
  5. J.P. Morgan quote listing — Goodreads (attribution unverified)