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Guggenheim's Structured Credit Team and the 2026 ABS Market

Katy & TheoEpisode 30 of Money Mysteries7 min

Money MysteriesEpisode 307 min · Katy & Theo
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Aircraft leases, fiber lines and data centers, repackaged into bonds. Who buys them, and why.

Transcript

Katy

A high-grade corporate bond index yielding about four and a half percent. Next to it, an asset-backed index with roughly the same average rating, yielding five point four. Same risk grade. Nearly double the credit spread.

Theo

That's a free lunch, and there's no such thing as a free lunch. So what's the catch?

Katy

That's the question. Karthik Narayanan, who runs structured credit at Guggenheim, calls it the complexity premium. You get paid extra not for taking more risk, but for doing more homework. Hold onto that, because by the end I want to tell you what the homework actually looks like... and whether the premium survived the record-breaking year of twenty twenty-six.

Theo

Okay. And who's "you" here? Who actually sits in that chair?

Katy

A team in Santa Monica, California. One of them is Jared Drucker. He joined Guggenheim back in twenty eleven as an analyst, and here's the bit I like: he didn't start in this world at all. His first six years were plain investment-grade corporates, hybrids and preferreds.

Theo

The boring stuff.

Katy

The legible stuff. Then in twenty sixteen he's a VP, and in twenty nineteen he moves into structured credit trading, ABS, CLOs, non-agency residential and commercial mortgage bonds. Made Director. January twenty twenty-four, Managing Director, and he sits on the structured credit investment committee. Guggenheim's own published materials list him as a senior structured credit trader.

Theo

Fifteen years at one firm. That's practically archaeology by Wall Street standards.

Katy

And in April twenty twenty-two he turns up on a podcast. Guggenheim's own show, Macro Markets, episode eleven, forty-five minutes, called "The ABCs of ABS." Drucker and Narayanan sitting down to explain a market most people have never heard of.

Theo

Hang on. Traders don't usually do publicity. What's the play?

Katy

That IS the play. In a market this opaque, explaining it is part of the business model. And they kept going. June twenty twenty-six, Macro Markets episode eighty-seven, "The Complexity Premium in Structured Credit." Two parts. The host, Jay Diamond, opens by setting the scene: new Fed chair, midterms a few months away, at least two wars, oil flirting with a hundred dollars a barrel. You just read my line.

Theo

I got excited. Sorry.

Katy

You should be. Because into THAT backdrop, the pitch is: come buy our complicated bonds. And people did.

Theo

Define complicated. What's actually inside these things?

Katy

Narayanan describes it as a Noah's ark of asset types. Residential mortgages. Commercial real estate. Specialty consumer loans. Aircraft leases. Music royalties. His point is they're not correlated with each other, so it isn't really one sector, it's a secured financing vehicle pointed at the four corners of the economy.

Theo

Music royalties as a bond. Someone's streaming habits are paying a coupon.

Katy

And the scale is the part that broke my brain. Guggenheim estimates the whole asset-backed finance market at roughly twenty-five trillion dollars. The tradeable, non-government slice alone is just over three trillion.

Theo

Twenty-five trillion? Why have I never heard of it?

Katy

Because it's large, fragmented, non-standardized, and non-indexed. There's no ticker. And the reason it's grown is almost political: after the financial crisis, regulations made this business less profitable for banks, so banks pulled back. Non-bank lenders walked in. Funds, insurers, wealthy individuals.

Theo

So the lending just moved house.

Katy

It moved house. Guggenheim alone had more than forty-eight billion dollars across client accounts in ABS and non-agency mortgage bonds as of the end of twenty twenty-five.

Theo

Okay, so twenty twenty-six. What did the team actually see?

Katy

Records. Year-to-date gross ABS issuance hit two hundred seventy-four point one billion dollars, beating the previous year's record pace. And the hot collateral tells you exactly where the economy is going. Aviation ABS: twelve billion through the third quarter, a record, beating the old twenty nineteen peak of ten billion. Why? A multi-year shortage of planes and strong passenger traffic propping up what the jets are worth.

Theo

So the plane you're sitting in is collateral.

Katy

Very possibly. Then fiber networks, companies wiring up homes and businesses and funding it through securitization instead of corporate bonds. Franchise royalty deals. And data centers, to fund the digital build-out.

Theo

Wait. The AI boom is being financed through asset-backed bonds?

Katy

Partly, yes. And here's the turn. Their own fourth-quarter note says ABS spreads tightened, and the spread advantage over corporates fell BELOW its long-term average.

Theo

So the free lunch got eaten.

Katy

Narrowed, anyway. Which is where the homework pays off. They've gone selective: senior commercial ABS on durable, cash-generating assets, franchise royalties, fiber, aircraft. In consumer, home improvement loans, because of stronger borrowers, amortization and credit enhancement. On data centers, cautious, because heavy spending means elevated issuance and new capacity.

Theo

Translation: everyone's piling in, so we're backing away slowly.

Katy

Pretty much. And their stated worry is beautifully twenty twenty-six: the impact of technological change on legacy assets. They've written about markets digesting AI disintermediation and software disruption in the loans underneath CLOs.

Theo

So the thing being financed might kill the thing that was financed last year.

Katy

That's the job now. And that's the answer to the question we opened with. The extra yield isn't magic and it isn't free. It's rent on patience, paid to the small number of people willing to read the indenture.

Theo

Which is the least glamorous sentence anyone has ever said about getting rich.

Katy

The money's never in the mystery. It's in being the one who bothered to look.

Sources

Katy and Theo researched this episode from these sources.

  1. Opportunities in Select Subsectors
  2. Jared Drucker
  3. Macro Markets Podcast Episode 87: The Complexity Premium in Structured Credit: Fundamentals and Absolute/Relative Value (Part 1) - Guggenheim Investments
  4. Record Supply, Selective Opportunities
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  10. Non-Agency RMBS: Income, Convexity, and a Rebuilt Market
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